If a radio transmission is discovered to contain coded DNA information then those who made the discovery know that the transmission was made by means of technology, and thus also ultimately by an intelligence, since the unintelligent part of nature never makes such. But finding coded information in DNA in biological beings is a different matter. That is because we know that biological beings replicate and that they all include genetic material (whether DNA, RNA, or both) and their genetic material undergoes mutations, including sometimes beneficial ones. However, since some humans are now genetically modifying living biological organisms and thus creating new varieties of organisms, those humans are thus to some degree intelligent designers and the organisms partly produced by them are thus to some degree intelligently designed. That thus slightly weakens the claim of atheistic scientific naturalists that none of the life which ever existed on Earth prior to around 1990 CE were intelligently designed. But there is no conclusive evidence that an extraterrestrial intelligence (whether a machine, a biological organism, or an alleged supernatural being) has ever interacted in any way with planet Earth. Thus, atheistic scientific naturalists still have a strong argument/claim that none of the life which ever existed on Earth prior to around 1990 CE was ever intelligently designed (or the product of intelligent design).
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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?
by Disillusioned JW insometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?
' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?
' what do you folks say?.
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Why Did the Apostles Preach the Ministry of Reconciliation Instead of Mt. 24: 14 ...Like JW's Do?
by Sea Breeze inand all things are of god, who hath reconciled us to himself by jesus christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 to wit, that god was in christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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5: 18. then fourteen years after i went up again to jerusalem with barnabas, and took titus with me also.
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The source of the ministry of reconciliation which you presented is only coming from one source, namely from Paul. We don't have any writings from James, Cephas, or John testifying that Paul was accepted by them. We have the book of Acts but it was not written by them. We have the letters called 1 Peter and 2 Peter but modern critical scholars say they were not written by the Apostle Peter but instead are forgeries in the name of the Apostle Peter.
Paul said elsewhere he never met Jesus in the flesh. Paul claimed he was convinced he saw a a supernatural risen Christ, but naturalists believe he saw only a vision which his own mind created (not a vision sent by Christ). Paul probably had temporal lobe epilepsy and such can induce a person to see visions. The historical Jesus (if he really existed) preached an apocalyptic message of the coming of the kingdom of God and the coming of the Son of Man (later Christians came to believe that Jesus was himself the Son of Man).
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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?
by Disillusioned JW insometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?
' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?
' what do you folks say?.
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I noticed that The Information Enigma video (which Sea Breeze referred to) disagrees with young earth creationism (including the idea of a young biosphere) in a few ways, but that it is in harmony with old earth creationism and an old biosphere. That is because of the following. [Note, that besides watching and listening to the video, one can also read the transcript which is at https://scienceleadstogod.org/information-enigma-where-does-information-come-from/ .]
The Information Enigma says the Cambrian explosion began 530 million years ago and that is lasted for perhaps ten million years (both in agreement with geologists, except that geologists now say it began about 541 million years ago instead of about 530 million years ago). Notice it says the following.
"Until 530 million years ago the oceans of the early Earth were almost completely void of animal life.
Then, within a geologically brief span, of perhaps ten million years, the waters were suddenly alive teeming with a riot of complex animals representing most of the major animal body plans that have ever existed on our planet, know today as the Cambrian Explosion."The Information Enigma says that life has been in existence on Earth for at least 3.5 billion years, for it says "Throughout the 3,500 million year history of life on Earth ....".
The science fiction movie called "Mission to Mars" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_to_Mars ) teaches intelligent design - by ancient Martians. It says that ancient intelligent technologically advanced Martians (whom the movie says had some anatomical resemblance to modern humans) seeded multi-cellular life onto Earth (and that the Earth already had unicellular life at that time) at the start of the Cambrian period by using some DNA which was based upon that of life on Mars. The movie said such brought about the Cambrian explosion. The movie also teaches evolution for it says (or at least visually represents) that the life on Earth evolved over the ensuing hundreds of millions of years, resulting in the species which exist today on Earth - including humans.
One of the main characters in the movie discovers that there is coded information in a radio signal from a formation located on Mars (that which is called the "Face") and that the code is that of DNA which is entirely the same as human DNA except for not including the last chromosome. As a result, he realizes that some former intelligence on Mars had encoded the radio signal and that it was a message to humans. [The Wikipedia page about the movie says the following. "A projection of a humanoid Martian lifeform reveals that the native Martians evacuated the planet in spaceships, one of which was sent to seed Earth with DNA, intending to create life that could one day land on Mars and be recognized as descendants."] That type of argument is basically the same which Sea Breeze used on page 6 of this topic thread when he said the following.
'For comparison, if you go to the SETI (Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) website you'll find the following question:
How do you know if you’ve detected an intelligent, extraterrestrial signal?
Answer? "the existence of coded information on the signal"
So, on one hand, scientific naturalists accept an intelligent source if they detect even one small coded message from radio waves emitting from space, But when confronted with the 1,206,980 printed pages of coded DNA information in the human genome, they say this is formed by an unintelligent combination of chance and natural selection, which has already been scientifically demonstrated to be impossible.'
I currently intend to make another comment regarding the intelligent design idea of DNA indicating intelligent design.
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Ron DeSantis: "We do not require assistance. The people of Florida will rebuild on our own"
by BettyHumpter inas if.no, of course he's already asking for federal aid.
it's the republican way.
florida needs the rest of the country to pitch in taxpayer dollars because it's different when it happens to me.
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People who live in large cities meet a much larger variety of people with a much larger variety of customs and ideas. Coming in contact with many ideas different than our own tends to more likely result in a change of ones ideas, than would otherwise be the case. Furthermore, people in highly populated areas (with a high diversity of people) have to be more more tolerant of people different than them (including in the workplace) in order for each of them to get along well with each other. As result large cities tend to have much higher proportion of liberals than rural areas.
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Poor metabolic health increases your risk for heart disease, diabetes, and stroke.
by was a new boy init’s all a big fat lie.
more precisely a big low-fat, high-carbohydrate lie.. 'it took dr. paul marik 12 weeks to prove that conventional wisdom about dieting is a lie, and that was just to himself.
he lost 35 pounds, and cured himself of type 2 diabetes.
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was a new boy, exactly what kind of diet do you think is bad? Do you only mean "low-fat, high-carbohydrate" or do you also have other kinds in mind? By the by way I am using the word "diet" in the broad sense of "that which one eats", rather than only in the sense of that which one eats for a short period of time in order to loose weight. I am primarily talking about that which one eats on an ongoing basis. There is evidence that the diet which consists primarily of plants and which has very little meats is optimal for health and longevity.
David Sinclair is a Harvard Medical School professor of genetics and he is a molecular biologist. In his best selling book called Lifespan: Why We Age, and Why We Don't Have To he details his research into aging as a disease. I own a copy of that book but so far I have barely read it. https://mentalpivot.com/practical-recommendations-from-david-sinclairs-lifespan/ (which is a copy of a portion of the Lifespan book) says the following.
'Like any other disease, aging can be prevented, treated, and potentially cured. While Sinclair readily admits that more research and scientific inquiry is needed before we can cure aging—an audacious goal to be sure—there are a number of practical habits and behaviors available today that can forestall the effects of aging. This post highlights those recommendations.
... Sinclair doesn’t go into great detail about what to eat, but does touch on some key points:
- Eat less meat, eat more plants. Diets higher in plant-based foods reduce all-cause mortality.
- Reduce sugar consumption: evidence suggests high blood sugar increases epigenetic clock.
If in doubt, look to the diets of people who live in “Blue Zones.” These are populations (like Okinawa) where the average lifespan is particularly high.'
https://www.nad.com/news/david-sinclair-explains-how-to-live-longer-by-changing-the-way-we-eat says the following.
"What should we eat? Dr. Sinclair himself is now a vegetarian if that tells you anything. Also, in the 2013 Adventist Health study, it was calculated that vegetarians live longer than non-vegetarians. Additionally, in a study on women, the Mediterranean diet (mostly vegetarian with some fish) decreased biological aging.
... Why are plant-based foods good for us? Dr. Sinclair and Dr. Konrad Howitz published a paper in Nature showing that plants contain molecules called polyphenols, which activate the sirtuin enzyme Sirt1 and cellular pathways important for health and longevity. "
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Sister In "Pants" Carrying the Microphone--Brother in "Jeans" out in Service!
by Atlantis inclick the image to enlarge.. sister carrying microphone at kingdom hall in pants!.
https://postimg.cc/jdjysmgt.
brother in blue jeans out in service.. https://postimg.cc/z36bj89h .
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The photos were not clear enough to me for me be certain of some details about the leg coverings of the woman and the man.
I agree with you about the microphones. Microphone handling was my first assignment at the Kingdom Hall, and I started doing it before I became a ministerial servant.
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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?
by Disillusioned JW insometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?
' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?
' what do you folks say?.
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Sea Breeze, have you seen the science fiction movie from the year 2000 called "Mission to Mars"? I have watched it a few times (and I own a DVD of it). I think you would appreciate the movie, considering what you wrote in your most recent post of this topic thread and considering your referring readers to the "Information Enigma" video.
A considerable portion of the content of your most recent post of this topic thread is quite interesting to me. As a result I read a portion of the article by Dr. Sanford about his theory and formula pertaining to mutation and natural selection. What Sanford said in the abstract of his article sounds impressive to me (thus far, at least) and his scientific credentials are very impressive. If I were to read the entire article much of it would probably be challenging for me to understand, since I did not major in science and due to the technical nature of much of the scientific article. The article also has a differential equation and my college course in differential equations was a very difficult course, thus I likely would difficulty following the mathematics (largely pertaining to what Sanford calls nearly neutral mutations [or something to that effect]). I searched online to see if anyone has written criticisms of Sanford's article but I found no criticisms (at least thus far) of it.
As a result of being impressed by the above, I later watched much of the Enigma video and parts of it impressed me also. I also read a considerable portion of the article located at https://scienceleadstogod.org/information-enigma-where-does-information-come-from/ , which apparently is a transcript (but with typos) of the Enigma video.
I intend to comment further in a later post about some of what you said in your most recent post of this topic thread.
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Sister In "Pants" Carrying the Microphone--Brother in "Jeans" out in Service!
by Atlantis inclick the image to enlarge.. sister carrying microphone at kingdom hall in pants!.
https://postimg.cc/jdjysmgt.
brother in blue jeans out in service.. https://postimg.cc/z36bj89h .
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What I see is a sister wearing a dress with a high slit, along with what is likely leggings. She is also wearing something very frilly around her ankles and she is wearing high heels. There is thus nothing manly about her attire.
Regarding the brother in the other photo, though he is wearing blue pants his pants are probably slacks instead of jeans.
If I recall correctly, decades ago (in the 1970s or 1980s I think) the WT said that under certain circumstances (such as not enough qualified brothers) sometimes sisters were allowed to do some of the responsibilities of ministerial servants though they were not appointed as ministerial servants.
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An Anti-Aging Pill ( Maybe)
by metatron invarious researchers a have been looking for an anti-aging pill based on the assumption that, if you can maintain a higher.
level of various endogenous anti-oxidants ( catalase, sod, etc), you could probably slow down the aging process.
even some skeptics.
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An Anti-Aging Pill ( Maybe)
by metatron invarious researchers a have been looking for an anti-aging pill based on the assumption that, if you can maintain a higher.
level of various endogenous anti-oxidants ( catalase, sod, etc), you could probably slow down the aging process.
even some skeptics.
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TonusOH, beware of eating dry directly from a spoon - see below.
I take cinnamon daily (I started doing that about a year ago). Sometimes I do so as one teaspoon full mixed in my food, other times as a supplement in a capsule (readily available in the vitamin section of grocery stores). I have a bottle of the capsules of the Cassia kind and a bottle of capsules of the Ceylon kind. I also buy the regular kind of cinnamon (as dry powder) in the bulk foods section of the WiinCo Foods grocery store.
From what I read, a teaspoon full of the regular kind cinnamon a day might be too much for many people (see below). An easy way to take it is when mixed in food or when taken in a capsule, but if you eat more than that It probably should not be the typical kind (namely Cassia) found in the food sections of supermarket grocery stores. Ceylon cinnamon is said to be much safer than the regular kind (but some articles say the Ceylon kind might have less health benefits).
https://www.webmd.com/diet/supplement-guide-cinnamon says the following. "Toxicity. Eating lots of cassia cinnamon could be toxic, especially if you have liver problems. Coumarin, an ingredient in some cinnamon products, can cause liver problems, but the amount you’d get is so small that it probably won’t be a problem. Given the lack of evidence about its safety, children, pregnant women, and women who are breastfeeding should avoid cinnamon as a treatment. ... Interactions. If you take any medication regularly, talk to your doctor before you start using cinnamon supplements. They could affect the way antibiotics, diabetes drugs, blood thinners, heart medicines, and others work."
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/side-effects-of-cinnamon says the following.
"Cassia (or regular) cinnamon is a rich source of coumarin.
The coumarin content of ground Cassia cinnamon may range from 7 to 18 milligrams per teaspoon (2.6 grams), while Ceylon cinnamon only contains trace amounts of coumarin (6).
The tolerable daily intake of coumarin is approximately 0.05 mg/pound (0.1 mg/kg) of body weight, or 5 mg per day for a 130-pound (59-kg) person. This means that just 1 teaspoon of Cassia cinnamon could put you over the daily limit (3).
Unfortunately, several studies have found that eating too much coumarin may cause liver toxicity and damage (4, 5)."
I tried eating one teaspoon full of powdered cinnamon straight from a teaspoon. That was a very bad idea because it was literally hard to swallow (got stuck in my throat) and greatly hindered breathing - until I gulped water in order to get it down. Mixing in a glass of water and drinking the mixture worked better. But mixing it in some moist food (or adding it batter to make pancakes), including mixing some food oil (such as olive oil or melted butter) with it worked much better.
The article about the side effects also says the following.
"Risks of Eating Dry Cinnamon
Since the “cinnamon challenge” has become wildly popular, many have attempted to eat large amounts of dry cinnamon.
This challenge involves eating a tablespoon of dry, ground cinnamon in under a minute without drinking water (22).
While it may sound harmless, the challenge can be very dangerous.
Eating dry cinnamon can irritate your throat and lungs, as well as make you gag or choke. It can also permanently damage your lungs.
This is because the lungs cannot break down the fibers in the spice. It may accumulate in the lungs and cause lung inflammation known as aspiration pneumonia (23, 24).
If aspiration pneumonia is left untreated, the lungs may become permanently scarred and possibly collapse (24)."